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Hey, so I know its been almost a year since this was last discussed, but while reading the infobox, the word “human houseplant” really stuck out to me. Is “human houseplant” a commonly used phrase somewhere? Arguments about the objectification of women aside, it doesn’t really tell me much about them. It read to me more like someone awkwardly reaching for something edgy to say just for the sake of saying something edgy, as opposed to a necessary characterization.
I know we’re trying to write lively stuff here, but this just feels kind of unnecessary. KhwamRock (talk) 13:30, 21 January 2013 (UTC)
I am with you, Rock! Let’s amend it and be done with it! Seligne (talk) 23:59, 21 January 2013 (UTC) Sweet deal! It looks like the original complaint about this section also mentioned that it was missing monks and Hi-So’s. I’m going to add them, since they’re definitely interesting people to look out for. Let me know what you guys think.
I rewrote the Peoplespotting info box, but my edit was reverted by Travelpleb. Would you please take a look at my edit and tell me what you think? Seligne (talk) 10:37, 22 January 2013 (UTC)
See my 24 March 2012 post at the top of this section. Note the “decorative drinks dispenser” comment.Travelpleb (talk) 12:33, 22 January 2013 (UTC) OK, I read it. What now? Tell me, are you the author of the info box? Is that why you feel so proprietary about it? I like the info box, but I think the bit about the office girl as written is not funny, not well written, and detracts from the wit shown in the other descriptions. One thing that we agree on is that this site needs some humour and engaging prose. I think the bit we’re discussing exhibits neither. Let’s see what others think. Seligne (talk) 13:36, 22 January 2013 (UTC) I think the box was the creation of political correctness’ anti-christ, Jpatokal. Don’t forget that Thai attitudes to sex and gender, when not being ignored or taken advantage of, generally shock and upset westerners. Why should we gloss over this and pretend everything’s OK when it ain’t?Travelpleb (talk) 13:46, 22 January 2013 (UTC) I’m not saying we should gloss over Thai cultural attitudes. Just that we shouldn’t adopt them in our own writing style. By calling them “human houseplants”, it doesn’t feel as though we’re shining a light on gender disparity. Rather, it feels like we’re perpetuating it through our choice of words. It seems like some of you guys are really married to the phrase, so I’m not going to continue this argument. However, I want to register my discontent in case someone else feels the same later and comes here. KhwamRock (talk) 09:58, 23 January 2013 (UTC)
Whoa! I just realised that all of this is way over my head! I thought they were being referred to as “human house plants” because their only job is to smile, pour tea, and look nice. But what I am getting now is that somehow they are symbols of dysfunctional gender relationships in Thailand and that calling them “HHPs” somehow points that out. My naivete! I appreciate your understanding and explanation, but I don’t like it any better than I did before. Seligne (talk) 14:30, 22 January 2013 (UTC)
Good humor maintains a difficult balance between the lighthearted and the profound.Travelpleb (talk) 08:44, 23 January 2013 (UTC) @Seligne: Imho it would be sad to remove the houseplant without any change in the thai reality. I understand why Rock and you have a point that it is not political correct but when i remember my thai business partners, his office ladies fulfilled the criterias 100%. I like the way it is, so please come up with something really good as an alternative. jan (talk) 10:09, 23 January 2013 (UTC)
I’m going to get a gold engangement ring for my soon to be fiance. Where should I go with many selections? —The preceding comment was added by 110.171.101.233 (talk • contribs)
Try going to the Thailand sub-Reddit and posting the question there. You might want to mention where you are located. http://www.reddit.com/r/Thailand/ Seligne (talk) 00:55, 22 January 2013 (UTC)
I got sucked in here by the banner on Wikipedia. This page looks great right now, are there any ways we can improve it or places where it seems lacking? So far I’m thinking about rewriting the second paragraph of the intro to make it more “travel relevant” as history is covered pretty well in “Understand”. I’ll try and tackle that in the next day or so. I’ve been in Bangkok since last May and will be here until October. If some part of the city needs more exploration or a certain section needs more meat, I can make an effort to visit such places and gather more info. KhwamRock (talk) 13:42, 21 January 2013 (UTC)

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